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New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« about: 3 years ago »
Just wanted to contribute to the forum as a new member here.  I bought a brand new domain in a 7 figure niche on July 3rd, built out 7 pages, with 1500 words on homepage.  OnPage is perfect.  Been buying SAPE links since JULY 17th, and have over 87 now.  All SAPE links are English Only, mostly homepage, and I only buy SAPE links with a PA of over 40. 


Here is my majestic screen for this site:






In addition to SAPE links, I have blasted the site with my personal PBN of 10 PR 2-3 sites.  I have also bought 2 Fiverr gigs here to build up anchor diversity as all SAPE links are exact matches.   


Gig 1: http://www.fiverr.com/atlasnetwork/create-500-high-pagerank-backlinks-for-your-website-ping-full-link-report
Gig2: http://www.fiverr.com/james_seo/give-you-60-links-pr2-to-pr6-with-great-quality-backlinks (bought upgrade to 130 PR links from here too)


Domain is partial EMD (EXAMPLE ONLY: MakeMoneyOnlineFromHomeNow.com) 


So, now that all the facts are set, I have been, and am in the sandbox.  It's been over 30 days since I started link building, right now here are my stats: (All keywords below are SAPE Blasted)


Main Keyword (Make Money Online): Position 178
Sub keyword 1 (Make Money Online From Home): Position 70
Sub Keyword 2: (Make Money Online Now): Position 208
Product Review Keyword in Title: (Google Sniper Review): Position 33


(All keywords above are examples)


I'll keep you posed as things progress, I am still adding more SAPE links every day as I find them.  I only add SAPE links PR4+, and with a PA of over 40.  I also look at the links to make sure I can track the PR.  The best link I have is a PR6 with 23 external links ADDED AUGUST 10th, that looks like this:





I thought this would have been enough to beat Sandbox 2.0 as CCarter mentioned in one of his posts about passing the Authority threshold, but unfortunately as of right now, it hasn't. 


Some ideas about pushing through the threshold if anyone would like to pitch in some value to the thread...


1.  Should I stick out this monster or build out a non EMD domain with content and 301 this site to it once the non EMD starts to rank?
2.  Thinking about buying 1000 high PR blog comments as I see lots of partial EMD's ranking with 1000+ high PR comments
3.  Thinking about making a Rebel Mouse page about the topic, slamming it with GSA, ranking it, then 301'ing this domain to the Rebel Mouse page.
4.  Rebuild out a new non-EMD site, and replace my URL's in SAPE with the new URL.
5.  Is Sandbox 2.0 harder on new domains then aged ones?
6.  Does anyone have any references of new domains ranking in huge niches (garcinia, MMO, Binary Options, Ecig, Skin), in under 30-45 days?  I've been mining Google for weeks and can't find any.  Aside from Rebel Mouse and Facebook Parasites, almost all sites ranking in the top 10 are aged partial EMD domains (1 year+), or non EMD rebuild expired domains.
7.  I can firmly say that nobody has a SAPE profile stronger than I do with this site.  All 87 of my sites have over 40PA, with most over 50.  All of my anchors are exact for my top 3 keywords.


Hope you enjoyed my first thread, i'll continue to update as results come in.  Please throw in your thoughts, i'd love to hear what you think....






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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #1 about: 3 years ago »
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Been buying SAPE links since August 17th, and have over 87 now

Isn't enough. You need more at least 150+.


You need some social signals to make it old and maybe you need to fake your pages date to get out faster.
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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
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Been buying SAPE links since August 17th, and have over 87 now

Isn't enough. You need more at least 150+.


I am building more everyday but it's hard to find PR4+ English true PR homepage links.  Do you suggest I go for less DA than 40 and PR2-3's as well?  OR inner pages with PR4+ but no DA or Trust flow?

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Do you suggest I go for less DA than 40 and PR2-3's as well?  OR inner pages with PR4+ but no DA or Trust flow?

Now you need to stop blasting your site if you do more you may get a slap down the hole (down rank to 100-200 in SERP's).

You need social signals, an Avatar ( make a fake profile and link it to your site, youtube, facebook, "linkedin"....).

Age faking so you need to fake page dates, and maybe some tricks I can't share here.

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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #4 about: 3 years ago »
Here is what is called a "Sandbox 2.0"

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20050071741&OS=20050071741&RS=20050071741

Appliance was in April 2014 so four or five months after that they apply that algorithm. 

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The ranking data also comprises externally generated ratings of social network objects such as the page rank of social network web pages based on hyperlinks to the web pages. Methods for calculating a page rank are described in U.S. Pat. No. 6,285,999, titled "Method for Node Ranking in a Linked Database" and/or U.S. Pat. No. 6,799,176, titled "Method for Scoring Documents in a Linked Database" and/or U.S. Patent Application No. 20050071741, titled "Information Retrieval Based on Historical Data," each of which are hereby incorporated by reference herein. Page rank or other external ranking data may be retrieved from an internet or other server external or coupled to a social network server as shown in FIG. 1. The retrieved ranking data is then stored.
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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #5 about: 3 years ago »
About what type of links you need, I can quote this for you :

"...generating a rank (Google's PR system) of the web site based on the number of inbound links to the posts that are relevant to the topic term and times between the inbound links."

I wouldn't add more, maybe someone can help you.

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A method as defined in claim 1, further comprising calculating elapsed times between postings of adjacent ones of the inbound links by: determining posting times of posts that are relevant to the topic term; comparing the posting times to the inbound links to determine a list of inbound links and posting times of the inbound links; and comparing the posting times of the inbound links to the topic specific posts to generate a list of inbound links, posting times, and posts associated with the inbound links and the posting times.
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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #6 about: 3 years ago »
With SAPE it's not really possible to get topically relevant pages, but in your experience would I get more rank value by sending SAPE links to 50 Web 2.0 buffers all topically related to my niche?  I guess it's time to join the Private underground community 8) , nevertheless, I'll keep everyone updated.

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« Reply #7 about: 3 years ago »
7Figure - way to start off your time in the forum with a bang!

Now my only suggestion which is something you should or should not have done is to find a more attainable niche.

What you're trying to do in that monster is definitely awesome. But... The plan you laid out before us could've already had you banking in most low-medium competition niches with $x,xxx for the picking monthly.

Now... As Hitman said if you want to continue here I would suggest adding MANY, MANY more authority links. Though you're picking the right ones look at your competitors. Some of them have more sitewide ACTUAL HIGH PR links then you even have spammy PBN's...

Now if you start spamming and going balls to the wall you may have a chance here if it is a churner and burner (You are using SAPE) which comes with its own risk.

If you've got the money, time, and patience you could still penetrate some of this market. I would suggest aiming for the lower hanging fruit/longtails and start scooping them up. As you do this you will make some money immediately while beginning to let some of those other links begin to age they will strengthen as well as continuing maturing your site.


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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #8 about: 3 years ago »
From experience, it's easier to target a lower competition keyword in the same niche then go for the ultra high search volume one. Once you rank top 10 for the low/med competition keyword, ranking for the higher competition one should be much easier. I haven't been able to rank for a high search volume keyword right off the bat in recent times.

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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #9 about: 3 years ago »
With SAPE it's not really possible to get topically relevant pages, but in your experience would I get more rank value by sending SAPE links to 50 Web 2.0 buffers all topically related to my niche?  I guess it's time to join the Private underground community 8) , nevertheless, I'll keep everyone updated.

If you're able to but links in some branded sites in your niche do it ( use related niche synonyms sites as a link source to)

You can do the buffering stuff, but as Radientdarkness told you you need to be careful if you build a legit site, If It is a C&B you can do #private stuff#.

Wait to see if your site is stable or no and just build some profiling and social stuff now to make your site goes legit.

Seven figures niche isn't simple to rank it with 200 or 500 SAPE links alone, you need 300k-500k (all type of links) to get your spot one.

Now focus on branding your site. (even if it's a Churn and burn site)
 

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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #10 about: 3 years ago »
From experience, it's easier to target a lower competition keyword in the same niche then go for the ultra high search volume one. Once you rank top 10 for the low/med competition keyword, ranking for the higher competition one should be much easier. I haven't been able to rank for a high search volume keyword right off the bat in recent times.

Totally agree on this, you need to scale using colonial strategies.

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« Reply #11 about: 3 years ago »
Thanks everyone for the advice.  I am attacking this niche with a 3 headed monster.  I have two other aged domains in this niche.  My goal is to be the #1 affiliate in this niche, and make $xxx,xxx a month.   Go big or go home right?


Back in April I got a site ranked #1 on Google for "Venus Factor", using High PR Solutions SAPE 50 PR5's (half of which weren't even real PR5 sites which is why I decided to learn SAPe for myself!!!) and 5 orders from Unknown Zero on BHW's Niche Rank PBN's.  Was banking $800 a day for a week until I got so much traffic my entire Hostgator Server crashed for over a day and Google sent my site to page 23.  Don't know if the server crashed at the same time I got penguined, but never got a webmaster tools message.  Sad day, but got me a nice budget to work with and top of the line hosting for my next project.. Project 7 Figures.


Anyhow, In addition to my main site mentioned earlier, I have another site on a different host, that has a 3 year old brand-able aged domain in the same niche.  As my first site is set up on the homepage of a new domain, this is a newspaper/magazine type site with 10 posts and one of the posts is my main keyword (example: moneynews.com/make-money-online-now/).  I started building SAPE to this one on August 12th.  I'll post progress on this one as well.


IDEA: I have been pondering 301'ing my main site to this aged news site.  Never messed with 301's before but the link juice from my 87 SAPE links might push this aged domain to the top.  I also have a 3rd aged site (example: MakemoneyonlineX.com), with zero backlinks, that I have thought about spamming to death, then 301'ing that to my aged site as well.  Just a few ideas.

Question for SAPE ppl: Do you branch out from PR4+ DA40+ .com, .org, .net, .au, .uk, .edu English Only sites sorting by Site ID newest?  This is all I have been doing.  I keep running across the same sites and other ppl baking in other niches are using the same sites as me.  I feel like I have run into SanFranciscoChinatown.com oh too many times. (I use that reference only because I believe that SAPE site has been downgraded from PR6 to PR3 by Google for using SAPE.


Also, do you guys trust the guys trust URL closed webmaster, domain level - 2 links?  I feel like I don't want to waste my money on a PR5-6 site with no backlinks that some idiot is hiding from me.  Total bait and switch.

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« Reply #12 about: 3 years ago »
Let me give you a little advice bro. The new "sandbox" as you're calling it doesn't even take affect until page 2-4. So the method you're using right now is straight up not the right formula to rank this algorithm. What you should do is start up 5-10+ tests at the same time, each using a different method / anchors / etc.


I don't feel the need to expand on this besides to say all the technical crap "Hitman" posted above is just crap. None of that is needed to rank the new algorithm. No social signals, no patent reading. None of it. For me, right now it's easy to pop into page 2-4 (on massive keywords), but hitting page 1 has become more difficult. This is what people are calling the "sandbox", but there's no defined waiting period.


After doing dozens of tests it becomes quite clear that this new algorithm is designed to do, but the thrill is in figuring it out for yourself, so I'll let you get back to that  :) .
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« Reply #13 about: 3 years ago »
Thanks for the advice.  My gut is telling me I screwed up by stating with a brand new domain and it's gonna be 4-5 more months before I see any results.  I am thinking I need to just start with my expired aged domain from scratch and blast from there.  Thoughts?

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« Reply #14 about: 3 years ago »
Thanks for the advice.  My gut is telling me I screwed up by stating with a brand new domain and it's gonna be 4-5 more months before I see any results.  I am thinking I need to just start with my expired aged domain from scratch and blast from there.  Thoughts?


You're over-thinking this. One reason for Google releasing the new algorithm was to prevent aged domains from being able to rank as easily. Whether you start on an aged domain or new domain, the results are going to be pretty much the same. I use all NEW domains for my sites, and we are rank top of page 2 on some very massive keywords. There is not really a "waiting period", and it doesn't take 4-5 months to see results from a new domain. Again, your strategy is simply not working for this algorithm. Kill it, start over, try again with a new approach :) .
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Re: New Domain Sandbox SAPE Case Study
« Reply #15 about: 3 years ago »
Correct me if I am wrong.

727 total links assuming everything is indexed. 87 of them use exact match. That's 12% of your backlinks.

And then you also have a partial match domain.

In my very limited experience with seo, that's over optimization. Something tells me that your on page is probably just as over optimized as your off page, assuming I tallied everything correctly.

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« Reply #16 about: 3 years ago »
"Over-optimized" is a broad term used to describe a wide range of algorithmic filters. What filter are you hitting? An anchor filter? A poison link / link location filter? The new algorithm has no mercy on sites it's 100% identified as spam. Determine the filters in play so you can work around them. Otherwise you're shooting blind.

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« Reply #17 about: 3 years ago »
Just a hunch,  but I think he is hitting every one you just mentioned, plus one or two more.

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« Reply #18 about: 3 years ago »
Ok guys, after taking everyone advice and reading up on my own, as well as mining through google and doing my own research, I've decided to reconfigure my campaign.  I took all my sape links (200in total), and changed out the URL to a new expired partial match domain I picked up.  This domain is 1.5 years old.  I have also bought 2500 high or blog comments from my trusted provider and am building massive anchor diversity.  Have over 100 anchors on the 2500 blog comments, and my 4 money anchors on my sape links.  As of right now the site has 1000 words of content on homepage and 3 pages of content (about us, contact us, and privacy policy).  Will add 2-3 pages of content daily handwritten by myself as well.  In addition to this, I will be picking up a PBN blast from the dude here, as well as 500 .edu and .gov links with brand anchors.  Overall this should hit page 1 in a few weeks with the massive link juice I am spreading.   I am hoping since this is an aged domain I won't run into sandbox problems.  I'll be throwing up a serpbook tracker once the site actually has a rank.  Thanks everyone, I'll keep you posted.

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« Reply #19 about: 3 years ago »
Ok guys, after taking everyone advice and reading up on my own, as well as mining through google and doing my own research, I've decided to reconfigure my campaign.  I took all my sape links (200in total), and changed out the URL to a new expired partial match domain I picked up.  This domain is 1.5 years old.  I have also bought 2500 high or blog comments from my trusted provider and am building massive anchor diversity.  Have over 100 anchors on the 2500 blog comments, and my 4 money anchors on my sape links.  As of right now the site has 1000 words of content on homepage and 3 pages of content (about us, contact us, and privacy policy).  Will add 2-3 pages of content daily handwritten by myself as well.  In addition to this, I will be picking up a PBN blast from the dude here, as well as 500 .edu and .gov links with brand anchors.  Overall this should hit page 1 in a few weeks with the massive link juice I am spreading.   I am hoping since this is an aged domain I won't run into sandbox problems.  I'll be throwing up a serpbook tracker once the site actually has a rank.  Thanks everyone, I'll keep you posted.


Just remember the 80/20 rule. Spend 80% of your time doing the 20% that matters. Adding content daily is not really going to help you rank. Focus 80% of your energy on LINKS.

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« Reply #20 about: 3 years ago »
80/20 rule for links? I'm developing a man crush on you. Post moar please.

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« Reply #21 about: 3 years ago »
Let me give you a little advice bro. The new "sandbox" as you're calling it doesn't even take affect until page 2-4. So the method you're using right now is straight up not the right formula to rank this algorithm. What you should do is start up 5-10+ tests at the same time, each using a different method / anchors / etc.


I don't feel the need to expand on this besides to say all the technical crap "Hitman" posted above is just crap. None of that is needed to rank the new algorithm. No social signals, no patent reading. None of it. For me, right now it's easy to pop into page 2-4 (on massive keywords), but hitting page 1 has become more difficult. This is what people are calling the "sandbox", but there's no defined waiting period.


After doing dozens of tests it becomes quite clear that this new algorithm is designed to do, but the thrill is in figuring it out for yourself, so I'll let you get back to that  :) .

Opss! too offensive !

Social signals proves trust, and please read what I quoted from that patent, and my shit is to easy, now Google's algo check your stuff if it's legit, I didn't point to social signals alone as the main key to rank and I didn't mention social stuff make you rank I told OP that he need some trust to make sure he doesn't lose his stuff.

Make your shit looks legit or you will lose it faster than you would like, in a very competitive niche like the OP trying to walk through, isn't easy to get a spot if you're under some shity Google's whiners.

More over I told him to stop only for two weeks to make sure his shit goes okay.

I know about 301 and all clocking stuff.

 

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« Reply #22 about: 3 years ago »
Just remember the 80/20 rule. Spend 80% of your time doing the 20% that matters. Adding content daily is not really going to help you rank. Focus 80% of your energy on LINKS.

80% backlinks means your shit will collapse in the fastest time possible, now branding sites are the main game here, google algo isn't only about backlinks, is about volumetric between Trust and Authority.

I bet your site can't hold more than 1-3 months if you do only backlinks shit, cause you would spam your Tiers every day to handle position, and social signals isn't the point here, trust means you need a legit business or as a black hat dude would say make it look legit.

Even churn and burn sites need a bit of that to stand the heat.

Again about social signals alone wouldn't work, so you need to fake many other stuff and you should know what it means Semantics, now your new backlinks are how many times your brand is mentioned this is the future !
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« Reply #23 about: 3 years ago »
The 80/20 rule is more so to balance your time / effort. Backlinks move the ranks, I'm sorry if you've been propagated too much and can't see that. But others will. Backlinks ranks, everything else is shit.

"Google algo isn't only about backlinks," incorrect. Google is still ONLY about backlinks. Otherwise how can I set up a domain spam it to page 1-2 within a few days? And you say backlinks will make the sites fail? I have affiliate sites that have ranked #1-3 for 8+ months with only links.

"Making sure your shit looks legit"... No. Google is a computer, not a human. "Legit" is relative and extremely hard for a computer to gauge, hence the need for penguin etc.

"Branding sites"? You should be on Moz, not BHU.

We have a rule, or a guide at least to summarize most the data we see.

More natural = less ranks.
Less natural = more ranks.

It's clear you haven't run enough tests, likely because of over-analysis paralysis, to see none of the signals you hold so dearly matter at all!
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« Reply #24 about: 3 years ago »
After loading Wordpress and content to my new site yesterday, Google has already picked up my site title tags and meta, (It was already indexed with godaddy auctions info), and blasting my site with 200 SAPE links, I already rank #118 in under 24 hours for my main keyword!  Will post more progress as it comes.



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« Reply #25 about: 3 years ago »
WELP...

Looks like a 8 hour old domain just got nuked and indexed :)


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« Reply #26 about: 3 years ago »
WELP...

Looks like a 8 hour old domain just got nuked and indexed :)



Nice Colby. Spam is working as good as ever when combined with the right "authority links". Funny thing is, we've run tests only doing PBN + SAPE, PBN only, etc... The results suck for the most part. Then we throw in some mass spam and boom shit ranks.
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« Reply #27 about: 3 years ago »
Great Result - RD


SEOwner - 100% Right. PBN, SAPE and SPAM - BOOM!! 


Nice thread/case study - I like it!


Good Luck OP - Keep us updated. Thanks


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« Reply #28 about: 3 years ago »
WELP...

Looks like a 8 hour old domain just got nuked and indexed :)



Nice Colby. Spam is working as good as ever when combined with the right "authority links". Funny thing is, we've run tests only doing PBN + SAPE, PBN only, etc... The results suck for the most part. Then we throw in some mass spam and boom shit ranks.

Yeah man it's just one of those things these days... Churning and burning...

All that is a COMPLETELY BRAND NEW Domain that has a nice aged indexed 301 domain with hella spam... and I mean the dog shit of the dog shit. Haven't added SAPE or PBN yet... will get to that once this thing settles down.

Got to let these things breathe, especially since May.

I do agree that some sites now are just completely "targeted" There are some sites if you get links from them will completely hinder your efforts.

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« Reply #29 about: 3 years ago »

All that is a COMPLETELY BRAND NEW Domain that has a nice aged indexed 301 domain with hella spam... and I mean the dog shit of the dog shit. Haven't added SAPE or PBN yet... will get to that once this thing settles down.

Colby, how aggressive are you hitting the 301 with exact match anchors, what kind of % are we talking about?